07-19-2018 04:59 PM - edited 07-19-2018 05:02 PM
I was one of those that bought the Pro at pre-release. I spent hours of research beforehand, looking at the upgrades and the main reason I bought it was the "wireless adapter" that would be "coming soon"...figured I'd upgrade and be ready for the forthcoming awesome VR wireless experience.
Ive been following the news and updates every day, and had been so excited as I waited for the upcoming release.
Only after E3 did I find out that it will require an additional/accessible PCI-e card/slot... which basically means anyone with a laptop won't be able to use wireless.
I feel so ripped off from the marketing of the pro, making it sound like the adapter would be made available for anyone to upgrade to. I don't understand, was the PCI-e requirement not known when they advertised it? Why was there no disclaimer that basically no one can use it (I'm assuming the majority of Vive Owners are using laptops).
Below is the Vive Pro Product site for reference. When will wireless be available for laptop owners? I ask because I am going to (literally) throw my entire VR system away (I've dealt with so many tracking issues with the Pro already) and this was the final blow to me giving up on VR altogether.
07-20-2018 04:16 AM
I knew about that requirement ages ago...
There are other solutions:
Additionally, TPCast may provide another solution later this year:
Think of it this way: hardware is already being pushed to its limits, and VR is still in its infancy. With a bit of luck, this may push hardware developers to up their game a bit.
07-27-2018 01:08 AM
09-07-2018 04:20 PM
Also not compatible for those of us with mini-ITX motherboards. This annoys me so much!!
09-16-2018 09:32 AM
I have a Predator Helios 300 and I believe my Ethernet card is in one of the PCIe slots. Being that I always use WiFi and never plug in, couldn't I just pull out my Ethernet card and put the VIVE Wireless Adaptor card in that PCIe slot?
09-17-2018 03:12 PM - edited 09-17-2018 03:55 PM
@MarkSpencer, I'd be interested in hearing more about your issue via PM so I can alert the care teams about the conflict that you experienced.
@Lloydbeatz, In so far as I can tell, that laptop doesn't have a desktop sized PCI-E 1x slot - It appears to have a PCI-E compatible M.2 HDD bay but this is not the same as a 1X-sized desktop slot.
Technical Specialist - San Francisco, CA; Monday-Friday
10-02-2018 01:40 PM
I tend to agree with you. Nothing has been mentioned about this extra card requirement from HTC up until release. In fact, even on the Amazon page now, there is not a picture of the required card.
Given that it's Intel tech that has been discontinued by Intel otherwise I'm sceptical about 3rd party or USB3 workarounds. But maybe someone will come up with mini Pci-E slot extenders like they used to have for Thinkpads that could work on laptops.
I originally decided that I wasn't going to upgrade to a Pro because Pro only works with DisplayPort, and not MiniDisplay port or HDMI. Now, I'm wondering whether I can affored to stick with HTC at all, as a consumer, as the compatibility with my existing laptop rig (which works fine for wired Vive) appears to be dubious going into the future.
I guess if they could find a workaround for laptops so I didn't need to have a DisplayPort, and also didn't need a PCI-E then perhaps VivePro might be possible in the future. I.E. Solving two issues at once.
Ah well. TPCast? Oculus? Stay wired? We'll see. I have enjoyed interactions with HTC so far. So perhaps I'll wait a bit and see what response emerges this fall.
10-02-2018 02:27 PM
10-02-2018 02:58 PM - edited 10-02-2018 05:22 PM
@MikeRider, I'm confused about your post, especially the first sentence. All public messaging has stated it's a PCI-E card and suitable only for desktops - I've pasted a screen shot from the product page below that lists the system requirements as well as the Amazon store page which lists this requirement. I'll make a request to see if we can update the Amazon product page with a photo of the kit's contents.
The Wireless adapter as it currently stands is a desktop only product. There is no planned support for USB-3 for a variety of technical reasons not limited to bandwidth limitations as well as non-standardization of USB/GPU connectivity between different motherboards/laptops. We are stating that it's only compatible with desktop motherboards and are not currently endorsing external PCI-E enclosures.
The Pro is certainly compatible with MiniDisplayport - it's the same standard at Displayport just a different header. After all, the linkbox only accepts miniDP as it's video in. We recommend the 3-foot variation of this cable: http://a.co/d/4AYBtvu. That said, Vive Pro is generally also best used on desktops and laptop support can be hit and miss due to how OEMs implement DP 1.2; especially if you have a GTX 1060 (which is below the min requirements anyway). Pro is very incompatible with HDMI.
Technical Specialist - San Francisco, CA; Monday-Friday
10-02-2018 04:10 PM
That is awesome. You are a rocking, insightful genius.
So, also, to piggy back on your thought. My laptop is running a 1070, and has used the Vive fine. But it had a wierd glitch that prevented the HDMI from giving the signal at the same time as the laptop's screen as running. So I've been using a mini diplayport to HDMI adapter since the beginning - just fine. SO I'm extactic to hear that the Mini-Display port to Displayport works. I had made a call in through sales during the summer, and they couldn't tell me. So you might be cutting edge with your solution :)
Re: Vive Wireless
In a similar vein, there's a post over on reddit on getting a m2 adapter to stand in for the PCI-e. I remember a similar discussion with Thinkpad expansion slots housing those adapters to connect to external graphics card units, so this makes some sense. So with this in place, it might be possible to run the Wireless unit and completely bypass the Displayport issue afterall. Admittedly, only with an external solution for the pci-e card. je suis pci-e.
Re: Confusion on this topic.
I don't know how to help you. I'd google "vive wireless adapter laptop" and you'll notice that the top 4 results are confusion on the topic. uploadvr.com, pcmag.com, and roadtovr.com saying, as roadtovr says, "laptop owners are out of luck." The next relevant results are from reddit users in June, July, August, and September trying to figure out whether it would and discussion possible work arounds. So I guess all I can tell you, is that the front page search results are indicating very little advanced awaremess of the limitation, or limited awareness of, as you sort of indicate, the aim of the product not toward all VR platforms but toward only desktop platforms with full sized atx boards/enclosures. Perhaps your right. The amazon page resists the Wayback machine, and the current listing does not picture, but does say, requires pci-e slot. Whether that single line is enough to inform people - eh. I'd point toward the omission of the word laptop at all, even as a dislaimer, on the https://www.vive.com/us/wireless-adapter/ website, and the failure to indicate that lack of compatibility on pretty much any "VR Ready" laptop sold through newegg, amazon, or etc in the past 6 months. That's all I have to say on this. It could have been made more widely known. Would it have changed my decison in 2016? Obviously no. Timing is everything.
10-02-2018 04:14 PM
I just saw the mini-Display port comment from you.
That is fascinating.
I can't find the chat history for my conversation in mid-summer, but that was my express question, and the answer I got was no. I even told them that I was using it currently for regular Vive.
But thank you very much for the comment on compatibility. That confirms and opens up the option of just going with the wired version of Pro with the exact current setup.
10-03-2018 01:25 AM
well crap!!! Ive been spending the last 5 hours trying to figure out how to get this installed on my laptop and come to read here this is not compatible with laptops....
Well, theres $350.00 wasted....
10-03-2018 07:03 AM - edited 10-03-2018 07:41 AM