To All you crying babies over the price.

Se7en11
Architect

To All you crying babies over the price.

Hey hey Se7en here love me or hate me i don't have to be as "PC" as the Vive guys.

So Guy and Girls go grab yourself a box of tissues some Extra Salty chips and start to read this. 

The Pro is currently not for the average home consumer, Lets make it even Clearer. Every singe person that has said boo hoo im not going to be buying that. GOOD. Its not for you. 

The Pro is aimed more for Arcades, Business, Development, Education, Not for a gamer or someone who wants a few extra pixels to be able to watch VR porn. 
This is NOT the Vive 2.0 or even the Full Pro Kit  that will come either Later this year, next year or the year after.

Enjoy what you have if you already own the Vive. If you don't go out and buy it they just reduced the price.
Its still early days in the world of VR things take time to be developed and hardware needs to time to catch up.

Take a good hard look at yourself and read back your childish outbursts is it really the end of the world for you, don't you have other things to worry about more than a cost of a hmd. 
Screaming and shouting about it. You think it will make a difference?
Accept that you cant afford it or your not going to pay the asking price or you are going to have to wait a little longer for the full version to be released. 

For the Vive mods you guys must be having a hard time at the moment dealing with these kiddies. Im sure your Job description didn't mention babysitting and the abuse that you get.
Keep up the good work it wont be long before something new and shiny comes along to take move their focus to.





Se7enVR
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Bulletz86
Explorer

Re: To All you crying babies over the price.

Shut up you idiot. I could argue 10 different reasons why $799.00 for the headset alone is ridiculous but I bet you can't count that high anyway so I won't bother.

Bulletz86
Explorer

Re: To All you crying babies over the price.

Here's 5 to start from Forbes and I can think of at least 10 more if you want me to.

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2018/03/20/here-are-5-reasons-why-you-shouldnt-buy-an-htc-vive...

Bulletz86
Explorer

Re: To All you crying babies over the price.

What the heck I'm bored so here goes:

 

1 - If the HTC Vive Pro is meant for commercial use why is there no warranty for commercial use?

2 - Lack of on-board wireless for more than twice the price of the Vive 1.0 is pitiful despite this being the number 1 request current Vive owners have asked for.

3 - Controllers are finicky by all reports and break easily. Vive 2.0 should have Valve’s Knuckles controllers included since the current controllers leave a lot to be desired.

3 – Release price is so high that it is a slap in the face to the current customer base who just need the headset to upgrade. Who will buy the old headset from them with no base stations or controllers?

4 - Lack of included base stations and controllers makes the Vive 2.0 alone useless so new customers will not buy it.  This comes across as a shamefull money grab for cash from Vive 1.0 owners.

5 - Pricing out consumers who would get into VR and grow the market is bad business and will lessen interest all around including from software developers who won’t take the market seriously enough.

6 - Hyping a product to the consumer market as HTC has done with the Vive Pro and then pricing it out of reach and claiming it is not for them anyway is marketing suicide and will cause mass rage.

7 - Why should anyone buy from HTC at all when from all accounts their customer support is atrocious.

8 - Software support for games ported to VR is weak due to the small base and pricing hardware out of the reach of the masses to grow the base will result in stagnant games development and compatibility.

9 - Other current headsets reportedly use the same screens and tech but sell for half the price.

10 - The screen door effect is still present and field of view is not any wider leaving the only real benefit apparently being slightly better resolution and built in audio for a huge mark up in price.

 

Can anyone else think of anything Forbes & I may have missed?

Se7en11
Architect

Re: To All you crying babies over the price.

Yep and your the very person that my post was aimed at. 



Se7enVR
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Bulletz86
Explorer

Re: To All you crying babies over the price.

Ok smart guy how am I crying when I am simply stating facts? The fact is that I would like to get into VR, I have a great PC with a GTX 1080 Ti that would crush it. Those are expensive items and you know why? They are worth it. Two OLED screens and a set of headphones in a plastic shell strapped to your face are not worth what you are asking so I will hold my cash until a true high-def VR experience is available for a semi-reasonable price.

 

Your Vive 1.0 was not ready for mass market so I like many others did not buy. Way too many limitations and too low resolution. Simply not ready for prime-time. The Vive Pro MAY be ready for mass market appeal but you just priced it out of reach so many people like me will simply go without until it is worth what you're asking for it. Who is going to buy the Vive 1.0 now that it is obsolete? We will all just wait for you to come to your senses and drop the price, or your competiton provides a better solution at a price that is not retarded. 

 

 

KingRangnar
Constructor

Re: To All you crying babies over the price.

@Bulletz86,

I see your points, and I have to say... I agree on a lot of them. As a vive owner I was really disappointed at that price as well. But you have to see outside your subjective point of view (as consumer) to be objective. Now first of all I think that what hurts the most is not the price itself, but the fact that releasing the Vive pro on it's own, doesn't give us the opportunity to resell our first gen system as a bundle (which makes it pretty much unsellable or not worthy). Now imagine if they would release the whole bundle now, for let's say 1000 or 1100 $, and you were able to sell your existing one for 300 - 350$, now it wouldn't look so expensive. Sure, you might say "well that's pretty expensive too, considering for example what Pimax is going to offer for less or around the same price, or WMR S Odyssey, but let's face it, no one`s sure, when or if Pimax are going to deliver what their claiming , and the latter with it's inside-out tracking is not yet a tracking competition to the lighthouse. So from their prespective by the time the competition release their better HMD's, Vive pro will be the king of PC VR HMD overall (tracking, OFFICIAL wireless solution). You already know that unlike HTC's main PC VR competitor in gen 1 (FB's OR), is investing a tons of money in software, so they managed to keep low prices on their hardware, while HTC's profit comes  from the hardware. So I'm also pretty upset with the price  announcement, but I don't see any point posting angry comments. No one force us to buy anything... it's all business after all. One of the things I don't understand, is to why they didn't release the full package with lighthouses 2.0 and Vive wands 2.0 ? I guess they are nowhere near ready for consumers, otherwise that would be the culprit. See that's the big mistake Oculus did ... They didn't released the HMD with touch controllers and full room-scale set up at day 1. Sure they catch up and their surpassed the Vive on the latest steam survey, but  things could have looked different. I'm a fan of technology rather than brand. I want the best experience I can afford, so there's no reason for hatred here, you see different companies with the different approaches according to their finances. 

Bulletz86
Explorer

Re: To All you crying babies over the price.

Thank you KingRangnar for your obviously well thought out response. I am going to make this very simple for you as a favor in return. I have $1,000.00 that I would be willing to spend on a truly first rate VR experience (in addition to the other hardware requirements to run said experience ie., PC & GPU). 

 

I will pay that $1,000.00 for a Vive Pro that comes with the controllers and the base stations and wireless and I think that is more than fair to pay for that package. I will not pay more. If you say you do not care, what if there are 1 million more people like me? How the heck can HTC say that they do not want $1,000.00 x 1,000,000 customers = 1 billion dollars? 

 

Does HTC not have any market researchers employed? Did no one ask any potential consumers what they would pay for a Vive Pro with no accessories and watch their reaction when they were told it would be  $799.00 for the headset alone? Did they not see people freak out? If they did not then HTC needs to fire or retrain their entire Marketing team because everyone is freaking out and they have just lost out on at least 1 billion dolllars of potential sales by those metrics alone. Even after manufacturing costs I would still bet that is a HUGE profit they have just lost out on with their current marketing strategy of overpricing the Pro and pissing off their entire loyal base (minus a few geeky multi-millionaires who will pay anything to escape reality, which if you were a multi-millionaire why you would want to escape that reality is beyond me) as well as millions of potentially eager customers who will now refuse to buy HTC products now or ever due to these shenanigans.

 

Maybe a billion dollars is not enough money to be taken seriously. I would argue otherwise. Volume of sales would pay for reduced profit per unit and benefit the entire VR industry from hardware to software and accessories. I could see if their production was limited by say the current DRAM shortage or GPU shortage but it is not. They have only themselves to blame for not pricing to meet demand with supply at volume. To summarize in simple terms, HTC is losing out on TONS of money and slowing adaptation/progress of the entire VR industry. I eagerly await some sort of coherent response from somebody at HTC, not just some random fanboy.

Se7en11
Architect

Re: To All you crying babies over the price.


@Bulletz86wrote:

Ok smart guy how am I crying when I am simply stating facts? The fact is that I would like to get into VR, I have a great PC with a GTX 1080 Ti that would crush it. Those are expensive items and you know why? They are worth it. Two OLED screens and a set of headphones in a plastic shell strapped to your face are not worth what you are asking so I will hold my cash until a true high-def VR experience is available for a semi-reasonable price.
Good Enjoy the wait. Join us in Vr in 5+ years if your lucky. By then you will maybe need to upgrade your pc as well. 

 

Your Vive 1.0 was not ready for mass market so I like many others did not buy. Way too many limitations and too low resolution. Simply not ready for prime-time. The Vive Pro MAY be ready for mass market appeal but you just priced it out of reach so many people like me will simply go without until it is worth what you're asking for it. Who is going to buy the Vive 1.0 now that it is obsolete? We will all just wait for you to come to your senses and drop the price, or your competiton provides a better solution at a price that is not retarded. 
The Vive 1.0 is not obsolete as the Pro is not its Replacment. I really dont think you understand that point.  
But as you sit there all bitter and sour over the price holding onto your $$$ I will be enjoying my Vive and my Rift. Man Tongue

 

 


 

Se7enVR
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Bulletz86
Explorer

Re: To All you crying babies over the price.

 
Bulletz86
Explorer

Re: To All you crying babies over the price.

Lol at 5 years wait time when something equal or better than Vive Pro will show up by this Christmas all inc for $1k or less. If not the Pro bundle itself. You just can't admit this is nothing more than a cash grab while the fire is hot after all the hype.

 

If the Pro is not a replacement for the Vive then why did the price on it drop at the same time the Pro was launched? It's clear the two are related.

 

The fact that you own a Vive and a Rift tells me a lot about you. "A fool and his money are soon parted." You have two low-end and quite unimpressive yet very expensive toys that are already obsolete whether you want to admit it or not. That giant flushing sound was all that cash you spent going down the toilet for a mediocre experience and you are left with some fancy pieces of plastic with no real resale value. I'll save my money for something that isn't a total ripoff in the meantime.

KingRangnar
Constructor

Re: To All you crying babies over the price.

@Bulletz86,


@Bulletz86wrote:

 

 

The fact that you own a Vive and a Rift tells me a lot about you. "A fool and his money are soon parted." You have two low-end and quite unimpressive yet very expensive toys that are already obsolete whether you want to admit it or not. That giant flushing sound was all that cash you spent going down the toilet for a mediocre experience and you are left with some fancy pieces of plastic with no real resale value. I'll save my money for something that isn't a total ripoff in the meantime.


WOW ! You have no idea what you're talking about... are you trolling or ur serious about what you said ? "low-end, unimpressive, obsolete" I don't see a relation between those statements and the products you're reffering to.  You either haven't tested long enough time , or you're hardcore flat games player. Yeah in VR communities we're calling conventional games - flat games. And now since the flat games are so advanced with nice textures, high resolutions, photorealism and so on, for some of you just the resolution and SDE are enough to push you away from VR. I don't judge ... but for me (and a lot of VR owners I know) VR is the only option to go. We all realise that the first of it's kind consumer products are gonna be far from perfect, but that's good enough to spend big cash for this kind of hobby, just because me and ppl I know had waited so many years VR to become a thing. Quite a few ppl owns both PC VR HMD's and quite a few backed up Pimax as well. Stating that as stupid it's just a pure hatred towards ppl who can afford it. And the ones I speak of are not even close to Millionaires...  

Regarding Vive pro ... well I told ya already what I have on my mind about that subject, but since you didn't stop I would like to add : Are we living in the same world ? I mean ... a world where ppl spend 1000$+ for premium cell phones , where gamers spend 1000+  for high end monitors, where ppl spend 1000$+ on 4k TV's (much more if it's OLED)... Let go man.. it's simple, for me it's fantastic the way it is even with gen 1 and all of it's flaws. Is it wise to get the Vive pro at that price, as a consumer probably not, but I will, because I enjoy my hobby and instead of buying expensive monitor , Razer keyboard, mouse and gamepad , I'm gonna buy what's best currently at the VR market.  

Bulletz86
Explorer

Re: To All you crying babies over the price.

I'm still not buying into the headset alone being worth anywhere near $799.00 sorry. To those who say it's not meant as a Vive 1.0 replacement/upgrade, why are they selling it as a stand alone then? It is obviously meant to sell to current uses who already own base stations and controllers, unless you feel it is reasonable for a new customer to purchase a Vive 1.0 bundle for $499.00 AND the Pro headset for $799.00 = $1,300.00 and then throw out the Vive 1.0 and still be ahead of what it would cost to buy the Pro and necessary hardware separately at over $1,350.00. It just does not make sense so whatever. Please don't blow smoke up my a$$ and tell me it's cotton candy.

Se7en11
Architect

Re: To All you crying babies over the price.

@KingRangnar the guy is a troll Since he joined this forum all he has done is Bitch about graphics cards, prices of the pro and how bad everything is. 
Its been fun pushing his buttons are getting the reactions that i been getting.
This forum needed a little entertainment and i want to thank the Mods for letting the clown stay 
From now on all im going to feed the troll is Fairys and lip balm 
Im sure he got lost on his way to Reddit. 


Se7enVR
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Bulletz86
Explorer

Re: To All you crying babies over the price.

I'm no troll I'm just summing up what the majority of potential Vive customers are saying all over the internet. I guess they are all trolls too? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xr1kXQlypfU read the comments...

 

I really really want to buy a Pro (and I can easily afford to) but I just can't justify spending that kind of money on the headset alone and then buying an original for the other hardware then throwing the 1.0 headset in the trash.

Here is a high level set of first impressions for the Vive Pro. Trying to answer as many questions as I can on https://www.reddit.com/r/Vive/comments/86usgp/vive_pro_in_hand_what_would_you_like_to_know/ and this and in future videos. Be patient! I'm doing this as fast as I can! ❤ Come hang out on